Jesse Ventura talks about his lawsuit against TSA on the Robert Scott Bell Show
(NaturalNews) Governor Jesse Ventura, author of 63 Documents the Government Doesn't Want You to Know About, Read or Anything, guest stars on the Robert Scott Bell Show along with conspiracy realist Liam Scheff to talk about topics such as Gov. Ventura's suit against the TSA that got immediately thrown out without due consideration.
Robert Scott Bell: Back earlier in the year we had our guest this hour on and it was such a fantastic interview we actually broke it up into a five part series and everybody loved it so much. We've got him back on now. His name is Jesse Ventura, Governor Jesse Ventura. Welcome back to the Robert Scott Bell show.
Jesse Ventura: Thanks, Robert, great to be back. My pleasure.
Robert Scott Bell: Well, we're glad to have you on board. I've also invited my dear friend Liam Scheff, the conspiracy realist, to join us. He has enjoyed the book 63 Documents the Government Doesn't Want You to Know About, Read or Anything in addition to a paperback book that you have out as well on conspiracies. We're gonna talk about that but the most, obviously the thing people are concerned about now, you had a suit against the TSA. Nobody here is a fan of the TSA, just so you know. But they wouldn't even hear the case, basically. They threw it out.
Jesse Ventura: Yeah, and that's what they're doing with all of them. Any case that's brought, like I sued, let me back up a moment and I'll tell you the story. I was initially going to sue- I have metal in my body. So when I pass through the metal detector, I'm subjected to both either the x-ray machine or what is now, I call it the sexual assault. The pat down. So in light of that fact, I'm in that predicament. Originally I was going to sue them under the American Disabilities Act because technically I am considered disabled because of the metal in my body and the hip that I had to have fixed. After one week I found out, my attorneys called and said guess what, we can't sue under the American Disabilities Act because this thing was perfect for it. They're supposed to accommodate your disability. What they were doing was exploiting mine and subjecting me to these two further things. Well, my lawyer calls a week later and says we can't sue under the American Disabilities Act and I said well why not? He told me it doesn't apply to the government.
Robert Scott Bell: What?
Jesse Ventura: Yeah, I was stunned. I said what? You mean to tell me they can pass a law that all of us in the private sector have to adhere to but they don't have to? And my attorney laughed and said oh, there's quite a few laws like that. And I was outraged, I said how do we let them get away with that? How do they get away with that? So anyway, our best move then was the 4th amendment, which is reasonable search and seizure, and I contended that it is not reasonable to believe that Jesse Ventura, who has been flying for 30 years, who's an honorably discharged navy veteran, a former mayor and a former governor, presents a threat. And I do not want to be searched anymore. I simply, that's all I asked for. I didn't ask for compensation or anything else. I said, stop making me feel like a criminal when I go to an airport. And then the bigger question is pegged onto that. The airline is a private sector industry- why is it the government's job to provide security for them at taxpayer's expense?
Robert Scott Bell: Sure. Well I mean, you were being far too reasonable in the suit. If you'd sued them for $1 billion they might have had to listen. I don't know, it's just a bizarre case here.
Jesse Ventura: I'm not sure, either. But the judge let me, she threw it out, Bellson [sic], claiming she didn't have jurisdiction. My response to that was, this is a, excuse me, this is a constitutional question. How can a federal judge not have jurisdiction?
Robert Scott Bell: Well, this brings to light Jesse, the questions I've so often heard raised about constitutional issues in courts of the law, supposedly courts of the law in the United States, where they say don't bring up the constitution in this court, in my court. And you hear this all the time. Then you raise questions of jurisdiction, admiralty, equity, etc., not a constitutional court.
Jesse Ventura: Well, it comes down to a little gimmick they got called administrative law, I found this out. It dates back to Woodrow Wilson. When they, our Constitution said that we were to have no central bank, and that's what Wilson used to put in the Federal Reserve. And what it is, the President signs an executive order, and Congress then votes for a certain department to implement this order, and it is immune to the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. And our courts have backed that up, and that's what they did here essentially. It's immune. It's called administrative law. And that's how they loop it. The President signs an order, the Congress votes it through. Like, they can tell TSA, Homeland Security, ok, President signs the order. Make our airports safe. Congress votes the order through, then they have carte blanche. They can do anything they want in the airport with total disregard for the Constitution or the Bill of Rights.
Liam Scheff: Well what do we about this? Because we're always told that it matters what they say in court, and if we vote- no, judges are just throwing out the Constitution. I think we as citizens have a, forgive me, but a right and a responsibility to tell them that we don't care. We appeal to a higher law. There is a higher law than one that can be bought or artificially managed or handled by international bankers. I do want to bring this back to your book because it's a fantastic book, your new book. But I'll just throw that question to you. I support, I mean I do, I support public- what is it called? Displays of outrage that aren't violent? Civil disobedience. I don't know how to do it, but I think we have to wake up and get people to say no, you're not actually going to search me. And I think fellow Americans have to go, you know what? I actually trust this guy. You don't have to pat him down. I was in the airport and the same thing happened to me. I said what are you looking for? What exactly? I will tell you I have no intention of hurting anybody. I would never hurt anybody in an airplane, I really don't like airplanes. I just want to go where I'm going.
Jesse Ventura: Well, see, and that's part, let me read to you the order. Here's the other part that gets me, gentlemen. When they rule on this, they don't even bring you in court and look you in the eye. I found out by email.
Robert Scott Bell: They're cowards. They're cowards, really.
Jesse Ventura: You know, they won't even bring you into court, set you down, look you in the eye and say Governor Ventura, I'm throwing this out of court. I'm not letting you go to trial, to have a jury, and here's what it comes down to. They don't want citizens making constitutional decisions.
Liam Scheff: But we have to. We must.
Jesse Ventura: They won't let you in front of a jury, where your jury can decide if your Constitution or your Bill of Rights has been violated. Because that would open up Pandora's Box on them. So what they simply do is stop you from going to court. They won't hear it. And that's what happened, and I made the bold statement then, and I'm gonna hold true on it, I was a young man when Tommy Smith and John Carlos competed in the '68 Olympic Games. And when they both medalled in the 200 meter dash, they took the stand and when they played the anthem they bowed their heads. They held black glove-covered fists in the air. And at the time, they were thrown out of the Olympics and this country hated them. But I view them today as heroes completely because they stood up and they made a statement that I'm winning medals for a country where I can't even drink at a white man's drinking fountain at places in this country, and I'm not given civil rights nor equal human rights. And they took a courageous stand and were knocked down their entire lives because of what they did, but in hindsight they were damned heroes. So I will not stand, I made the statement, I will not stand for the national anthem anymore, until I'm granted my rights to go to court to see if my 4th amendment has been violated.
Robert Scott Bell: We're talking to Jesse Ventura here on the Robert Scott Bell Show special edition. Liam Scheff also with us, and his book American Conspiracies, which has been out for awhile, is now available in paperback. Of course I've got the links up at Robertscottbell.com and of course 63 Documents The Government Doesn't Want You To Read also still available, and we've enjoyed it thoroughly here. Now this is a controversial thing that you're doing, obviously. Of course, a lot what you do is, and I think standing up for our rights nowadays as Americans shouldn't be controversial but it's become so. So for you to say I'm not standing up for the national anthem, this will upset the so-called, pseudo-conservatives. Neo-conservatives out there will say, well Jesse's kind of a cool guy but now he's gone too far. I don't know, I think standing up and saying our government has been hijacked, it's no longer our government, is something that's very honorable and needs to be said.
Jesse Ventura: Well, I would like to think so. I mean, I'm sure there are gonna be people, and I would challenge any of them, who question my patriotism. And I will say this to anyone, and if they're listening or hearing or whatever- my father had six bronze battle stars in World War II. My mother was a nurse in North Africa and a World War II veteran. My brother and I are both Vietnam veterans. I think I've earned the right, I think my family is patriotic, and I also agree with who- I believe Tom Jefferson said, dissention's the greatest form of patriotism.
Robert Scott Bell: Yeah, well, we're with you there. And of course, the things you did as governor, I've highlighted on the show over the years. I mentioned this to you before, you were the first governor to sign a health freedom legislation when you were governor of Minnesota. Diane Miller, a friend of mine was working on that so many years ago. We've always been grateful for your willingness to do what no other governor had done at that time. And now some other states have followed suit.
Jesse Ventura: Well, also I did too, I was the only governor out of fifty who wouldn't declare National Prayer Day.
Robert Scott Bell: Oh my goodness, how offensive is that.
Jesse Ventura: Well, first of all I said to them, I said what do you need me, the government or the governor to tell you to pray for? You don't need me to do that. Pray all you want, that's none of my business. Do it as many times as you feel necessary, if you so be it. And I also then countered the media, of course, who jumped all over me because I was the only governor. I said well if I declare prayer day then I likewise have to declare no prayer day. Because I said, there are people out there who are good citizens who are atheists, well, they deserve their day in the sun, too.
Robert Scott Bell: You mean they get some vitamin D from the sun, they're not discriminated against under-
Jesse Ventura: Well, the point being, why is it the government's job to get involved in religion? There's supposed to be a separation of church and state, just like these- like Perry in Texas and these two other candidates in the Republican side that said God told them to run for President? That should disqualify them right there. They're delusional. Because I've been on the planet 60 years and God ain't never said nothing to me, and I'm every bit as good a man as they are.
Robert Scott Bell: Well probably better because you never mandated that 8, 9 year old girls in your state would have to be subjected to forced vaccination for the human papillomavirus like Perry did.
Jesse Ventura: Well, you know, I also oppose the death penalty. You know, I was glad as governor of Minnesota that Minnesota had gotten rid of the death penalty so I didn't have to be the last signature to put someone to death. I just can't imagine with DNA today and the discoveries they've made in the death penalty system, all the innocent people, how would you feel as the governor, you signed, and you were the last signature that put someone to death and then five years later you find out they were innocent. Putting one innocent person to death trumps all the guilty ones you put to death.
Liam Scheff: If you ask Bush and Perry, though, unfortunately I think they sleep pretty well and I don't know what prescription drugs they're on, but they both put a lot of people in the ground.
Jesse Ventura: Well, let's remember something. George Bush, him and Dick Cheney are quite classic chicken hawks. They're from my era, and they ran from the Vietnam War, they hid from it. Cheney got five deferments. When they asked him why he didn't serve, he said he had other priorities, I laughed, I said gee, so did every other kid that got drafted. Why do you think they were drafted? So you got two chicken hawks that took us to war. Two guys that they themselves never had the courage to do it themselves, but they're happy to send other people's children to do it for them.
Robert Scott Bell: We're talking once again with Governor Jesse Ventura today, very special edition of the Robert Scott Bell show. We're glad to have him back. We're gonna take a quick break here. All the links are up at Robertscottbell.com. If you happen to be listening, as most of you are, through Naturalnewsradio.com, go ahead and put your email address. You'll get your daily alerts as well. I've got the links to Jesse's wonderful books and we're gonna talk more about them. Also glad to have on the conspiracy realist with me today, Liam Scheff. And we'll be right back with more powerful healing after this.
Robert Scott Bell: We're back, Robert Scott Bell show continues on here. Liam Scheff in the house and Governor Jesse Ventura on the line and of course the day here that this is airing is the anniversary of JFK's assassination, we'll get into that as well. Many of The 63 Documents the Government Doesn't Want You to Read, the book by Jesse Ventura is there. And by the way, if anybody out there is offended by Jesse's perspective on National or State Prayer Day or separation of church and state, I've called for a separation of education and state, separation of medicine and state. I want to see freedom restored to the people, and we can make better decisions than the federal government can do in 99 out of 100. And in that one point where they might make a better decision, the 99 others, like taking the life of an innocent, is something that is not worthwhile in my opinion. And I think the Governor has stood tall for, I guess, the concept of individual liberty here.
Jesse Ventura: Well absolutely, that was the great thing about our country, why people looked up to this country, was the fact that you had the freedom here to live your life. You were responsible for yourself. Whatever you achieved here was left to you to do it. And that's gone now because if they take the Constitution and Bill of Rights and trash them like they're doing right now, even with these, the protestors. They have every right to be out there. The 1st amendment guarantees that right and it shall not be infringed. So how can they take little local ordinances and make that more powerful than the 1st amendment? But that's what they're doing.
Liam Scheff: How do you take the pepper spraying of the kids at- the kids, I mean these are kids at what, UC Davis?
Jesse Ventura: Well how about the, how about the veteran who was literally shot with something up in Oakland? Scott Olsen I believe his name is? They're holding his signs up everywhere. I want to activate and get the veterans out there. All of us veterans, I've been to the Minneapolis one half a dozen times now. All of us veterans, this is the reason we served. We served to defend the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Foreign or domestic- and this is definitely a domestic assault on the Bill of Rights, both these protestors as well as my court case. That I am not allowed to go to court and have a jury determine whether my 4th amendment rights were violated or not.
Liam Scheff: The right to be tried before a jury of your peers, that is guaranteed.
Jesse Ventura: Well, that, too. But it's also the 4th amendment, which is reasonable search and seizure. It's not reasonable to believe that Jesse Ventura's a threat. What reasonable thinking person would think that?
Robert Scott Bell: Well, those who have a lot to hide, perhaps. But those are the criminals we're trying to basically, you know, take the covers off, the veils of illusion away so we can see them.
Liam Scheff: So how do we get the veterans, I mean, there are veterans listening to this show, there are people who, you have veterans and their family and if they don't listen, tune in. This is gonna be downloadable. You have to go out to the protests and you put on your garb and you put on your medals and you put on your service decals and your hat and all the other stuff and you say listen, I know you think that the military's all bad, but we fought for something, we believed in something, and we're here to support your right to take the country back. You go out there, you veterans, you go out there to these protests and the media has to cover it and it looks different when it's on the news because the thing the media will do, they'll show a couple of kids and O'Reilly'll go on and say these snot-nosed, trust-fund babies don't have any idea how to- oh, sorry, Bill O'Reilly, I guess we all didn't have an Inside Edition paycheck coming our way. Whatever, you go out there. And I want the good cops to go. God, I've known so many good cops in my life. And I know the pensioners- go, go.
Jesse Ventura: Well, the thing is too, I mean, I was so proud of that marine-
Robert Scott Bell: Yes, I remember that in New York.
Jesse Ventura: -with his Iraq medals on his chest. And he was challenging the police, where is your honor?
Robert Scott Bell: That was a beautiful thing he did.
Jesse Ventura: I salute him. And that don't come often from a Navy Seal to a Marine, and that's tough. No, truthfully, I salute that gentleman who had the courage to stand out there. And I challenge all the police and all the people of authority in this country to please look in the mirror and ask where your honor is because these people are out there expressing their 1st amendment rights. I mean, it's interesting in Minneapolis, you know what they did there?
Liam Scheff: No.
Jesse Ventura: Ok, they won't allow them to have generators to keep warm, but yet there's a generator there running 24/7 on the corner of the park, and what it's doing, it's powering a surveillance camera that watches them all. So it's ok for the government to have a generator there and a surveillance camera, but it's not ok for the people to be able to keep warm with generators. But a hero came to the rescue. Ann Bancroft, you know the lady that went to the North Pole?
Robert Scott Bell: Yes.
Jesse Ventura: She showed up and did a class with the people, with the protestors, teaching them how to keep warm in the cold. There's a hero.
Robert Scott Bell: Nice, yeah, seriously. And you know, the heroes are uncovering these things. Last time we talked also about the whole Wikileaks thing, and only one seemingly, so-called politician, he's more of a statesmen, Ron Paul, stood up for eliminating the secrecy in government and allowing for people to know these things. Of course, there are more things that have happened since that time. But the number of classified documents- Liam, you have some stats here, staggering.
Liam Scheff: Yeah, this is all in relation to the Governor's book, 63 Documents the Government Doesn't Want You to Read, and as a preface to this, I just wanna thank as a writer and a researcher, I want to thank and commend the Governor for grabbing another guy, Dick Russell, a researcher, a great writer in his own right, and saying hey, I don't know how it happened. But you guys have written three things together, and you just must have a good working relationship and be like-minded because these books zing.
Jesse Ventura: Well, part of it is Dick and I stay very close to each other down in the far reaches of Mexico, and that's where we do all our work.
Liam Scheff: Well, it's wonderful, because a guy like Dick Russell will write this stuff and it will end up in the bottom bin as a cut-out for a dollar or whatever, and it takes somebody with the courage and experience, and when I say courage and experience I mean courage and experience, like Governor Ventura, who's lived a million different kinds of lives very publically and will talk about it and has, I dunno, just the heart of a lion, will get up in front of people and I've seen you in video, you just stand up and say that's not true, that's not true, that's not true. It takes a certain courage. So this book is-
Jesse Ventura: Well, all I can say on that is, you know, the acorn doesn't fall far from the tree. I remember times my mother kicked my father and sent him to the basement during dinner.
Robert Scott Bell: Why did she do that?
Jesse Ventura: Because my father would get so irate over the things the government was doing. So, you know, I can only state, I guess to give tribute to my dad. My dad only had me and my brother and my mom that he could talk to. Fortunately in my life, I've pretty much dictated it to the world. So, on behalf of my dad it's a lot of fun to be able to do in his style.
Liam Scheff: Well, I've loved it. It's been, I picked up conspiracy, no, where's my head, American Conspiracies. I picked it up and I thought, oh, and I hadn't read your previous at that point. I thought oh, it's a celebrity, a governor, he's gonna write- I picked it up and I started reading and I was through the whole thing, didn't put it down. I called my friend, another researcher, I said you gotta read this book. This is like really good. It was footnoted and we found stuff and of course I was going through all the, the related data and I wrote, I actually wrote Dick Russell and I said, hey, I just, I love what you guys are doing. He wrote me back and said, yeah, we love it, too. So your new book, 63 Documents the Government Doesn't Want You To Read, are 63 documents the government doesn't want you to read. And if you think 63 is a lot, now I'm looking at the stats here. In '96 there were 5.6 million top secret documents. Today, or last year, there were 55 million top secret government documents.
Robert Scott Bell: It's the only thing growing faster than the deficit and the debt.
Jesse Ventura: Let me throw in, here's another one on my court case, we can tie it right in. Here's from my attorney, when they dismissed it by email, my attorney wrote, listen to this. Order dismissing our case for lack of jurisdiction reads much like the government's brief, and does not directly address the gist of our argument regarding the constitutional absurdity of being subject to a "secret order" that can be changed in secret, at any time, and without notice, and cannot be challenged in a district court. That's the TSA. Another secret order. Something you and I and all citizens do not have the right to see or read or have any idea what they're allowed to do out there. So in essence, at airports they can do anything they want to you and there's no way for you to know whether you're being abused or not.
Robert Scott Bell: Well you enter into that zone, so to speak, through TSA's security and now suddenly you are basically chattel, you're a slave, you have no rights. And basically, if you want to exert them they'll throw you in prison for that and so it's a really horrific thing. You mentioned as well the private so-called airline industry. I mean, they goofed big time by saying, oh yeah, if the government pays for our security it'll mean we make more money. They made a decision based on their bottom line, and of course now less and less people are gonna end up traveling until the airlines go defunct. They'll have to nationalize the airlines if they want to keep them going.
Jesse Ventura: Maybe that's ultimately what they have in mind. You know, if you look at the big picture. Always remember what Colonel L. Fletcher Prouty said, nothing just happens. Everything is planned.
Liam Scheff: Fletcher Prouty was in the NSA, I'm not quite sure, he was a military guy. He was a major witness or, I don't know what the word-
Jesse Ventura: Well, he was the Mister X character, the Donald Sutherland character in Oliver Stone's movie JFK.
Liam Scheff: And so for Garrison, for Jim Garrison-
Jesse Ventura: The Donald Sutherland character is based on Colonel L. Fletcher Prouty, and here's who Prouty was. Prouty was underneath General Krulak in the Joint Chiefs of Staff from 1954 to '64. And he was the direct liaison between the Pentagon and the CIA. You think he didn't know everything?
Liam Scheff: And he was Garrison's chief, one of his chief witnesses to give him backstory and to identify the workings of secret government. I know we're gonna come up against a break, but we were talking about secret documents and you know, I call myself a conspiracy realist because I got tired of people calling me a conspiracy theorist. Theories? I'm just an historian, I'm just looking at what's happening, that's all. So when you look at the number of people who it takes to keep a secret, who can keep a secret, there's something like 900,000 people in the United States with Top Secret Security Clearance. That means, not only are they told things that nobody else is told, they're also sworn not to tell those things to other people. So I don't believe that we're talking about conspiracy theories. We don't have to theorize very hard. We just have to look at the data and not blanch, not turn away.
Jesse Ventura: I actually don't mind the term conspiracy theorist or theory, you know why?
Liam Scheff: Why?
Jesse Ventura: Because gravity's also just a theory. And I always point that out to people. I say, well, if you don't buy into theories, do you believe gravity's real? Well of course. I go, well that's just a theory. You know, it's the theory of gravity. I said, if you don't believe it, go up on a building and take a step and see if it's real.
Robert Scott Bell: Well, we're gonna take a step, take a quick break here. We've got more, it's incredibly enjoyable, as we figured it would be, with Governor Jesse Ventura. Of course, his books, we've got them linked up at Robertscottbell.com. If you have a question or comment, 866-939-Bell, 866-939-2355. Thanks for helping us rock the health world and so many other worlds simultaneously today. We'll be right back with more of Governor Ventura after this.
Robert Scott Bell: Back with Governor Jesse Ventura here on the Robert Scott Bell Show. Liam Scheff, conspiracy realist, in the house, although as we hear from Jesse, theory's not a bad thing because gravity might be a theory. It is a theory. Anyway, great stuff governor, we're glad to have you on board here.
Jesse Ventura: Well thank you.
Robert Scott Bell: And of course, the JKF assassination-
Jesse Ventura: As I was telling you off-air, it's nice to be able to have a civil discussion and be able to not have to do just sound bite type news to where can get in and explain yourself thoroughly so the listener can understand.
Robert Scott Bell: Well and that's why this show is growing so tremendously through Mike Adams, NaturalNews. We're getting a whole audience that is so fed-up with the sound bite news, whether it be neo-conservative or neo-liberal. We really take it all on here, and actually have intelligent discussions about it. And again, I've had people that I disagree with, but it's very civil. The thing I want is civil disobedience on these issues like 4th amendment violations and other things. Things that Congressman Ron Paul has been talking about for decades now. And interestingly enough, the old media, the old mainstream media, is trying to figure out, what do we do when this guy wins Iowa? They're trying to figure out, how do we discredit the Iowa caucuses now because they think he might win.
Jesse Ventura: Well, you know, I heard he won California.
Robert Scott Bell: Yes, a big straw poll there.
Jesse Ventura: So if he can do that?see, oh yeah, they're gonna be in big trouble if Paul truly starts winning some of these caucuses and some of these primaries because the Republican party is not gonna make him their man. Rest assured of that. I mean, they look at Ron Paul as the red-headed step-child that shows up on the day we read the will.
Robert Scott Bell: Yet, they're co-opting his language at every opportunity in these debates, though I don't think there's an ounce of sincerity in what they're saying.
Jesse Ventura: You know the one that gets me is Perry and two others who have said that God told them to run.
Robert Scott Bell: Right, yes, we mentioned that.
Jesse Ventura: I think that should disqualify them immediately for being delusional. I mean, I've been on the planet 60 years and God ain't never spoke to me once. I mean how does this happen? Do you wake up in the middle of the night to a deep voice, or what is, how can they simply say they have a feeling?
Robert Scott Bell: It's very subjective, as we know, but again, you look at a guy like Rick Perry who's willing to subject these little girls to experimental shots and it doesn't seem God-like in any sense of the term, if you believe in that benevolent whatever. Liam, you had a question for the Governor.
Liam Scheff: Well it's not a, look, it's not a spiritual turn. I mean the Bilderberg group told Perry to run.
Robert Scott Bell: That's true.
Liam Scheff: I mean, does he think that that's God? Does he think that the Bilderberg Group, when they had their meeting and said we're gonna groom you, you look like a snake, you look like George Bush, you sound like George Bush, Americans were falsely sold on George Bush. Run Rick, run. After you make all the girls be injected with this poison. I just want to go back to the book because the book's out, I want people to buy it. If you don't buy things like this, I don't know what to say. You want to read another Bill O'Reilly best-seller, go ahead, don't hurt yourself.
Robert Scott Bell: No, no.
Liam Scheff: So, this book is broken into a number of sections. Part 1, 2, 3, 4, 5- 9/11 is a section we've covered, 9/11 is shady White Houses. You know, I was just reviewing some of the, it was in the Pentagon papers, some of the Watergate tapes. Some of the Nixon tapes. Nixon and Kissinger. All this stuff is on the record, but we're in Dancing With the Stars land. But you can listen to two guys who both sound crazy, essentially plotting the destruction and overthrow of sovereign governments in Southeast Asia. It's just right there for ya on the YouTube, but nobody cares. This book goes into a lot of the stuff that was going on in the ?60s up to today. Things that make the movies, like M.K. Ultra, you see Conspiracy Theory, wasn't that a Mel Gibson movie, Richard Dawn or-
Robert Scott Bell: Conspiracy Theory, the did one-
Liam Scheff: Yeah, it was a good movie, but people think it's a joke. No, people go to the movies and- go, go, go- they get a glimpse of reality.
Jesse Ventura: -I think that's part of the plan because did you know the CIA has a production company in Hollywood?
Robert Scott Bell: I thought they were embedded in Hollywood studios, I didn't know they had their own studios.
Jesse Ventura: So yeah, they put out these movies and turn them into comedies, just like The Guys Who Talk to Goats, or whatever that one-
Robert Scott Bell: Yes, that's right, The Men Who Stare at Goats.
Jesse Ventura: Well, I met the General who was in charge of all that.
Robert Scott Bell: Stubblebine.
Jesse Ventura: He's still hiding in Panama, now.
Robert Scott Bell: Yes.
Liam Scheff: Right, so it's real stuff.
Jesse Ventura: It wasn't a joke, and yet Hollywood will take these serious things that our government's done and they will do them in a comedic way, and I think that programs the people from getting offended that the stuff really went on, and it went on in a serious manner. General Stubblebine's his name.
Robert Scott Bell: Yes, Stubblebine. And-
Jesse Ventura: -Stubblebine. He was an M.K. Ultra and all that stuff.
Robert Scott Bell: Yeah they're very big in Panama. Promoting health freedom here in the U.S.
Jesse Ventura: Right, he's now with that doctor we bailed out the minute that they lost, what do you call it here,
Robert Scott Bell: The Codex Alimentarius issue and that sort of thing?
Jesse Ventura: Oh, habeas corpus.
Robert Scott Bell: Oh, habeas, yeah.
Jesse Ventura: We lost the country when habeas corpus was suspended here, the right for you to be able to be, if you're arrested that you have a lawyer and open trial. We don't have that either now. Are people aware of that?
Liam Scheff: No, I wasn't.
Jesse Ventura: Oh absolutely. Bush suspended habeas corpus and Obama has not brought it back. Why do you think they can keep Gitmo? Where they can hold people without trying them indefinitely? And all they have to do, in this country now, they can arrest you tomorrow, they can hold you indefinitely in seclusion without a trial, lawyer, nothing. All they have to do is say that you were involved in an act of terrorism, and guess who makes that decision? They do.
Robert Scott Bell: Well now they're after Amish farmers for raw milk terrorism.
Jesse Ventura: Exactly.
Liam Scheff: Everything's a sin against the government.
Jesse Ventura: Part of what I said that day at the press conference was, this country's been taken over by fascism. When I stated that day, I will refer to this country as the Fascist states of America now because the basic definition of fascism is when corporations team with organized religion to control the government. I think we're there.
Robert Scott Bell: You're right, we are, and it's a sad thing. And of course, a lot of people have served their country in the military, very proud of the let's say the perception of what they've done, but you go back to the things like the Gulf of Tonka and the lies that brought us into so many wars. No declared war by Congress since the so-called Great War, World War II, and there's even controversies about how we got started in that at Pearl Harbor.
Jesse Ventura: If we could- excuse me- read Fletcher Prouty, he'll explain it all to you. Fletcher Prouty told about the meeting that took place after we dropped the bombs. The meeting took place because the elites got scared and they determined from that point on- and Prouty flew in Chiang Kai-Shek, who was then the head of China. What they determined at that meeting was that all wars from that point on would be fought in third world countries, and they would be fought where the military couldn't achieve any direct objective in which to declare victory. Well, look at every war since World War II, doesn't that fit perfect?
Robert Scott Bell: Exactly. But now we've got the full-frontal assault of the neo-cons and even the neo-libs is Obama's saber-rattling against Iran.
Jesse Ventura: Oh, yeah. Well that's all planned. Remember what Prouty said, nothing just happens, everything is planned. Notice, ok, notice where did we go to war? We went to war in Iraq and Afghanistan. So what country is in-between them both? Iran. It's a tactical move. You're hearing it from a Navy Seal.
Liam Scheff: It's called the grand chess board, right?
Jesse Ventura: We're on both sides of them right now. We're in Iraq and we're in Afghanistan. Iran's in the middle. We're setting up, we're setting up to get them next.
Robert Scott Bell: Well, of course, with what money? The money we're borrowing from China, printing out of thin air or putting on the backs of children not even yet born here in America?
Jesse Ventura: Exactly, I mean, if we wouldn't have gone to these two wars, we would have so much money for national healthcare, it wouldn't even be debated. And it's sad, in a country like the United States, where we have so many people that can't even go to the doctor? It's pathetic. And yet, we'll go to war. You know, the thing that bugs me, I'm 60 years old now. Born post-World War II, 1951, and my country has been at war for over half of my life. Over half my life we have been at war, and what do we have to show for it? Nothing.
Robert Scott Bell: Bankruptcy, loss of liberty, and, you know, we're looking at Iran and the drums of war on the left and the right saying, Oh my God, Iran's gonna nuke Israel. And I'm thinking, they don't even have a nuke, Israel's got nukes. They wouldn't, they would be insane. They would wipe themselves off the map if they attacked Israel.
Jesse Ventura: Exactly. It's just like, it's like when I met with Castro down in Cuba and Fidel looked right at me and said, do I look like a fool? Because I asked him about the Kennedy murder. And I said, as you know, Fidel, many people involve you in it. There's many scenarios where you're a part of it. And Castro looked right at me and he said do I look crazy? He said, if I would've killed Kennedy, Cuba would've been wiped off the face of the earth. And he said I love my country too much to ever anticipate doing anything like that. And I believe him, I mean, why would he? And yet they tried to blame it on him, to tie Oswald to him.
Robert Scott Bell: Yeah, if he had a suicidal tendency or a suicidal tendency for his whole country, I mean-
Jesse Ventura: Exactly.
Robert Scott Bell: Now-
Jesse Ventura: -and Fidel looked right at me and said, I'm not crazy.
Liam Scheff: And you know who else I don't think was crazy? I don't think Osama Bin Laden was that crazy. I don't think that somebody, one guy with a bunch of goat herders, or whatever was happening out there, even if they were doing paramilitary training, is gonna bring down the entire military infrastructure of the United States on one special day that they're doing multiple airline hijacking training scenarios, that they happen to have FEMA parked in New York City, that another building falls at free-fall speed for having a couple of things hit it. There's a kind of magic that you have to believe in to believe the official story. And that's why I love your books, because you say here are the documents-
Jesse Ventura: There's a huge magic you have to believe in, you have to defy physics. It's that simple. Well, I mean, the point is, how could the buildings fall at the rate that I used to jump out of airplanes? No resistance.
Robert Scott Bell: Well, gravity is just a theory.
Jesse Ventura: The buildings went down in ten seconds, how can that be? Those buildings were down on the ground in ten seconds. And then, you got Building Seven. I mean, I remember the BBC wouldn't allow us to show a tape on my show where a BBC reporter talks for seven and a half minutes about how a third building has collapsed, World Trade Center Building Seven, and it wasn't struck by a plane. And for seven and a half minutes while she does this, the building's right behind her, it hasn't collapsed yet, and on the tape it says 4:50 in the afternoon. Building Seven didn't go down until 5:20. And yet you've got half the people in America who don't even know today that a third building went down.
Robert Scott Bell: It's incredible.
Jesse Ventura: You know, that's how the mainstream media has completely avoided asking any questions about what happened that day.
Robert Scott Bell: Yeah, stand by Governor. We gotta take another break, well be back for a final segment with Governor Jesse Ventura right here on a special edition of the Robert Scott Bell Show. Liam Scheff's also with us. We may get into the subject of Seal Team Six when we come back from this break. Very interesting. Stay with us.
Robert Scott Bell: Wrapping it up with Governor Jesse Ventura, as well as Liam Scheff here. And Liam, you know, the Seal Team Six story, we've covered this, you and I, talking about was Osama Bin Laden even alive when they claimed to have gone in there? Yet, Jesse's a guy that knows the inside of a lot of military stuff, what was your question?
Liam Scheff: I didn't believe the Seal Team Six story from the beginning. I happen to have- I don't want to give too much information away- I happen to have a friend, ex-military, we were, he has talking to somebody on the boat, the Vincent [sic] who was looking at the pictures, the cameras. Everybody has camera helmets, right? And he said to his friend, hey, off the record, did you see Osama Bin Laden? He said, I didn't see anything, I couldn't see a thing. I don't know what happened.
Robert Scott Bell: I thought he was in his cave watching The Golden Girls in rerun.
Liam Scheff: Well, according to the camera helmet, look, you can take this as a story about a story about a story, whatever. But I didn't believe it, and then they dumped the body at sea? We're not allowed to see that but we can see Saddam Hussein's sons being killed? We can see Hussein hanging?
Robert Scott Bell: Also, Gaddafi, right?
Liam Scheff: Gaddafi's body dragged through the streets. The number one enemy of America? I don't believe the story, and I hate to put it against the Seals, I just don't believe the story.
Robert Scott Bell: What do you think, Governor?
Jesse Ventura: Well first of all, let's remember, the Seals are capable of getting the job done.
Robert Scott Bell: Yes.
Jesse Ventura: If the intelligence is there, they are the best. They will get the job done. Now that we've established that, could the Seals be deceived, too? Certainly. If there was an Osama look-alike in that room, one thing I can tell you, one thing I had liked was that the Seal Team operation hasn't changed from my Vietnam days because people need to understand, when the Seals go in, there will be no Miranda rights. When we go in, the target will be given one opportunity to surrender. If the target does not exercise that option, the target will be eliminated immediately. So could the Seals be deceived? Certainly. If they have an Osama look alike in there, they're under time, they gotta move. I don't question anything that happened on the ground. They killed somebody, probably. Now, was it Osama Bin Laden, I don't know, but here's the thing that bugs me, gentlemen. A couple months later was that helicopter crash, where allegedly how many members, 22 members of Seal Team Six died? Were those the same ones on that op? And were they shut up?
Liam Scheff: There are no, what did you say?
Jesse Ventura: That's the question that needs to be looked at, because, always look at the violation of standard operating procedures and I can tell you this. Seal platoons generally fly only one platoon per helo. Why did they have three of them in that helo?
Liam Scheff: Good Lord.
Jesse Ventura: And I heard that that helo was a National Guard helo and it wasn't even one of their normal ones from MacDill Air Force Base in Florida.
Robert Scott Bell: No witnesses, then.
Jesse Ventura: Well, that's, I don't know, but that's caused the hair on the back of my neck to stand up. Because the deal- and I know Dick Marcinko. Dick formed Seal Team Six. The Rogue Warrior, the guy that rights all the Rogue Warrior books, he's a friend of mine. And Dick's a true leader because Dick leads from the front, not the rear, and he created Seal Team Six. They are elite, they are good, they will get the job done. But did they do it? I don't know. I question it from the aspect, I mean, Bin Laden, he was CIA before. Once CIA, always CIA. And the point is, Bin Laden, he was on a dialysis machine back in 2001, all doctors have said the disease he had is usually fatal in a couple of years. How did they get us to believe he survived eight or ten?
Robert Scott Bell: Yeah, of course, those sanitary conditions in the caves
Jesse Ventura: Yeah, exactly, or this house he was in in wherever the hell it was, over there in Pakistan or wherever they hid him at.
Liam Scheff: No, if people think this is too speculative, too way out, there's something called Si-Op 62, there's something called Operation Northwoods. That's why this book is important, that's why understanding these documents is important. We can say this and you can go wow, that's kinda scary. But let me tell you something. Wake up, these documents are right there for you to read. And it's in this book, 63 Documents the Government Doesn't Want You To Read by Jesse Ventura and Dick Russell. What is, can I ask you Governor, what is Si-Op 62?
Jesse Ventura: Si-Op 62? Is that Northwoods?
Liam Scheff: No, it was, let me read it to you-
Jesse Ventura: Read it to me, hell I haven't read the book since I wrote it.
Liam Scheff: I'm sorry, I didn't mean to, Single Integrated Operation Plan? A military proposal for the annihilation of the Communist block in '62, presented to Kennedy. Does that ring a bell?
Jesse Ventura: Ok, yeah, those things go on all the time. That's where Northwoods came out of.
Liam Scheff: So what is Northwoods?
Jesse Ventura: Northwoods was presented to Kennedy as an alternative to take Cuba. That our government, CIA and Special Ops people would actually attack the U.S. and make it look like Cuba did it so it would get the country in a big uproar to support an invasion of Cuba. Now, I've always questioned, if that was on the table back in '61 or '62, whenever it was, you don't think it was on the table in 2001?
Liam Scheff: And the plan really was gonna use civilian aviation and American civilians and they were gonna paint a plane and blow it up.
Jesse Ventura: That's Northwoods, that's Operation Northwoods. They were gonna use planes, change them, the whole thing, the scenario is eerily similar to 9/11.
Robert Scott Bell: What's wrong with these boy scout people in TV like Hannity that they can't look at these things with any honesty?
Jesse Ventura: Well, because that's not their job. Remember, you're dealing with the corporations that run the television networks.
Robert Scott Bell: It's not a free press.
Jesse Ventura: It's not a free press. When I got my short-lived spell with MSNBC, I fought with them everyday because they wanted me to cover Anna Nicole Smith. And I said, I don't care about her. You know, I said what do I care about her for, she don't affect nobody. I fought with them. See, Hannity and I had it out the one time I was on there with him because I wrote that in my book, that all the decisions on what they cover comes down from the network, or comes from corporate.
Robert Scott Bell: He was freaking.
Jesse Ventura: He denied it, he said nobody's ever told me what to do on my show. And then I hit him with it, I said so you made the decision to do Anna Nicole Smith?
Robert Scott Bell: You nailed him so good. That was great.
Jesse Ventura: So I had him between a rock and a hard place and he's never had me on since.
Robert Scott bell: Well, yeah, and he's still upset with Ron Paul for Ron calling him, Hannity and Limbaugh and all those people statists. He doesn't like that, but he's got no defense against their view of, you know, the state, statism is superior to the people.
Jesse Ventura: Yeah, exactly, and so you know Ron Paul and people like me, we're not allowed on those shows because the thing is, the thing is about Fox, I never, you notice I never do them over a satellite. I do them face to face.
Robert Scott Bell: Smart.
Jesse Ventura: Because they're very courageous when you're not sitting across the table from them. In fact, I'll tell you that behind the scenes with Hannity, when I walked into the first time, he went to thank, I looked up and he thanked me for coming on and I said, well Sean, I said, you know I'm a Navy Seal. He said, oh yes, thank you for your service and all that B.S., and I said, I didn't tell you that to be thanked. I said, I told you that for another reason, Sean. He goes, what's that? I said, I told you that because I want you to remember, you gotta sleep sometime. And oh my God, he was so afraid of me. He was petrified of me. And see, that's why they won't have me on, because they can't intimidate me.
Robert Scott Bell: Well, that's the beauty of Governor Jesse Ventura, of course, and we need more to stand up. I mean, I think it's inspiring what you're doing, as I said. We admire you and Congressman Ron Paul and all those who are standing up for civil disobedience. I was up a month or so ago riding with some raw milk moms from Pennsylvania to Washington, D.C. to the steps of the FDA to drink raw milk with them. And you know it's gonna take moms to show that we're more powerful than the federal bureaucracy.
Jesse Ventura: Well, unfortunately it may get to the point where it may end up Kent State. We have to be prepared for that.
Liam Scheff: Kent State was American citizens.
Jesse Ventura: Remember, the people who were anti-war at the start of Vietnam were hated. Remember? It was America, love it or leave it, get the hell outta here, all this. Well in the end, they were correct. And the turning point of the Vietnam War to me, as much as many people credit the Tet Offensive over in Vietnam as being that, I think the turning point really and truly was when they gunned down those four students at Kent State and murdered them.
Robert Scott Bell: Well and it's much like the damage of the vaccines. It's taken the moms to wake everybody up and now the dads are becoming warriors as well. Unfortunately people are sacrificed, the children are sacrificed before the American or any people wake up and say I'm outraged enough to do something about it.
Jesse Ventura: Yep, and I'm waiting for that wake up call but you know, maybe it'll never come, because after all the Nazis were the first to discover, to put fluoride in the water. We got it in the ?50s and they told us it was for our teeth. Well people need to know that Fluoride- Prozac, the major ingredient is fluoride. So when you drink fluoridated water, you're drinking Prozac water.
Robert Scott Bell: I know, it's horrible. And we've covered that, as well, there's a number of municipalities that are pulling it out because the citizens are taking charge, but San Jose, California just put it in. So there's a lot of wake up that needs to be done.
Jesse Ventura: Brainerd, Minnesota fought it and was forced to put it in.
Robert Scott Bell: Yep, Brainerd, a long time affiliate of the Robert Scott Bell show for many years, good people up there. Unfortunately, now they're fluoridated. Listen everybody, it's holiday season. If you have not picked up American Conspiracies, it's in paperback now. Of course, the hardback edition of 63 Documents the Government Doesn't Want You to Read, you have got to read it. I'm not gonna say that's an order, I'm not into forcing people to do stuff, but as Liam said it's awesome and it's worth the read. Governor Ventura, you're always so wonderful to come on board here, we enjoy you thoroughly.
Jesse Ventura: Well, thank you very much guys, it's been my pleasure. And as I said, it's fun to talk to people who will allow you to explain in depth what you're feeling and what you stand for. So I encourage people to listen to your show because they'll get the real deal and they won't have people being misquoted and attributed things they probably didn't say by the mainstream media.
Robert Scott Bell: Alright, stand by Governor Ventura, we'll talk to you a moment off the air and listen, I'm so grateful that the Governor is standing up, I hope you'll stand up as he has done as a living example, we're all trying to be here. This is the Robert Scott Bell Show, thank you to Liam Scheff as well, and we just end the show every day here by reminding you that the power to heal is yours.